Matt Holliday On His Way to St. Louis?
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jun 27, 2009 1:51 PM EDT
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According to a report in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals are ready to pursue the A's outfielder Matt Holliday.
The Cardinals appear to be very frustrated with their outfield production (rightly so) and believe Holliday might be the answer.
Holliday, at first glance seems to be the best available bat on the market, and would be a major upgrade for the Cardinals.
As we have reported it appears the price tag will not be cheap. A's GM Billy Beane is notorious for demanding a high return value on his players. It is believed that the A's are looking for major league ready pitching, to go along with additional prospects.
The Post-Dispatch reports, "Such a package would probably include right fielder Ryan Ludwick and either reliever Jason Motte, Chris Perez or Kyle McClellan, plus a prospect."
Holliday, who is a former batting champion, is currently batting .274 with eight homers and 39 RBIs.
St. Louis certainly appears to be a good fit for Holliday, the main question is whether the package they present will be suffice for Billy Beane.
In the end I certainly think Holliday will be moved, however, look for Billy Beane to try and get several teams involved to drive up the price. I'm not saying this deal won't get done, but I wouldn't expect it to happen overnight.
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by Humble Swagger on Jun 27, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Story
Billy Beane never loses, especially with trades. If he could get a 3 team deal going, I could see(please bear with me) Athletics, Cardinals, and Astros?(maybe). The Athletics could get close to a dozen prospects, nd if Ed Wade still does what he does, maybe we could unload another guy to them.
by Humble Swagger on Jun 27, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For half a season of Matt Holliday? That would be unbelieveable. Really.
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by winchester5 on Jun 27, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u guys know the team getting him will be getting draft picks if he leaves at the end of the year...they can get better if not i'd rather have the picks
this trade doesn’t fit the A’s needs at all
by DSamonek on Jun 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If any team gives up more than 3 or 4 prospects for Holiday, they got fleeced.....seriously
If the deal doesn’t go down until the trading deadline, the team receiving Holiday only gets him for 2 months of the regular season and the postseason. Holiday is going to try the open market as a free agent and there will be a bidding war. Any team that gives up alot is just plain stupid.
by Dude Rock on Jun 27, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont really like the deal mentioned.
Ludwick is old and would have a serious regression going to the AL, plus they have a lot of corner OFers already, and the A’s are loaded with RP… it doesn’t seem to make too much sense for the A’s. I think if this happens then good ole billy really got fleeced on this one. Ludwick and a RP are not even close to as valuable as Smith, Street, and CarGon, not to mention that Gonzalez is a CF…something the A’s need….
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by winchester5 on Jun 27, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Although you are right about this proposal being garbage....
What does the Colorado trade have to do with this one?
by throttle mathius on Jun 27, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just trying to compare what they would get and what they gave up....its not the same situation but interesting to see.
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by winchester5 on Jun 27, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't Denver anymore.
Holliday’s stats are not an aberration. He is a middle of the road hitter outside of Colorado. All of the Angels OFs are hitting better than he is. He isn’t top 50 in HRs, and not tops in RBIs either. His best days are behind him. Beane should take what he can get (and so should Holliday if someone is willing to pay him in this climate). Good luck with that.
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by matthiasstephan on Jun 27, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Were you saying this about Miguel Cabrera after he got traded to the Tigers?
Ignore what parks they came from. Lets just look at switching leagues….
Miggys first half season in the AL after coming over from the NL he had a power outage with about a 60 point drop in his batting average….sound familiar? However, now that he has adjusted he is one of the best hitters in the league. People are blowing Hollidays first half stats out of proportion. Switching leagues is hard, and while Holliday may not be a 50 HR guy like he was in Coors, he is a legit 300 hitter with 20 hr power and above average defense and speed.
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by winchester5 on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It plays into the meme.
Colorado is a hitter’s park, so it plays into the meme there. It is true, he could get over this, anything can happen. Do you pay him (and Beane) as if he will, or wait until he figures out the AL (if he can) or hope he gets back to form if he switches back?
Can you get another .300, 20HR, speedy threat cheaper? What about Aubrey Huff, Garret Andersen, or Jermaine Dye, all to be had for less money?
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by matthiasstephan on Jun 28, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aubrey Huff, Garrett Anderson, and Jermaine Dye
One of these does not belong
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by nothinlikethetown on Jun 28, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
And it is an obvious one.
by throttle mathius on Jun 28, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just compared Garret Anderson to Matt Holliday....lol
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by winchester5 on Jun 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont think the Cardinals are a good fit.
Besides Rasmus and Wallace (who I would assume are unavailable) there isnt really anyone in the Cardinals organization that fills the A’s needs. I mean Ludwick, Motts, and say, Friese? Color me underwhelmed. I’d rather have the draft picks. It think there would need to be a third team involved for Holliday to end up a Cardinal.
Also, the A’s are beieved to be targeting young pitching? Huh? Is that just the standard form letter trade rumor? “So and so wants young pitching.” The last thing the A’s need is MORE young pitching. We dont have room in the rotation for the pitching we have, we’re dead last in nearly every offensive category, and the answer is…more pitching?
I guess the old quote still rings true, “If you read history two things seem to be always true. Nobody ever made money and you can never have enough pitching.”
"May our feet be swift. May our bats be mighty. And may our balls be...plentiful."
by nothinlikethetown on Jun 27, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gammons is reporting any deal with the cards would start with Wallace.
And I love to hear that….because anything else would be a joke for the A’s
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by winchester5 on Jun 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards Just Got DeRosa
For Chris Perez and a PTBNL. I wonder if this affects the Holliday negotiations at all.
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by nothinlikethetown on Jun 27, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I want to know. If they didn't like the price of Holliday Derosa is a pretty poor replacement.
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by winchester5 on Jun 28, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa makes Wallace tradeable.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jun 28, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Derosa is in the last year of his contract. He is a FA after this season. Doesn't mean Cards will sign him again.
by Dude Rock on Jun 28, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he makes a ton of sense for STL to extend.
He can play both 2B and 3B and he’s a solid hitter. Neither is a position of strength for the Cards next year.
Besides, if the “Wallace can’t stick at 3B” scouting reports are to be believed, I’d think that Pujols guy is kinda blocking him on the 1B depth chart anyway.
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by mikev on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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