Where does A-Rod stand among the top players in the game?
Is Alex Rodriguez still the best player in the game today? According to a random survey featured in the NY Daily News, which included scouts, executives, players, and other observers the answer is very clear. That answer appears to be a definitive no.
"When I think of the best player, Pujols' name stands out," one scout said, a sentiment echoed by many. Others suggested Minnesota catcher Joe Mauer or Tampa Bay third baseman Evan Longoria.
One major-league scout who has watched Rodriguez extensively this season replied, "Probably so," when asked if A-Rod's best days were behind him.
"You find that most of the (drug) users once they get off it when they are in their early 30s, they tend to start the diminishment process," the scout added. "(Jason) Giambi's a model. They start to lose stuff. Power is one, though the ballpark may save A-Rod because Yankee Stadium is so ridiculous."
"I think he'll start to decline. He won't really go bad, but I don't think he'll ever be back at the heights he was."
"With Alex, I expect you'll see a decline. But will he be around the norm of what the top players in the game do? Yes. But not 45-50 home runs."
But don't tell that to Rodriguez he still believes his best years are ahead of him.
"I think my best years are three or four years from now," Rodriguez said. "That's just my mentality."
I think it's pretty obvious that Rodriguez is no longer the best player in the game, but that doesn't mean he has vanished from the conversation. He's playing with a very painful injury, and given that, his performance has to be somewhat commended. New York Mets outfielder, and A-Rod's former teammate Gary Sheffield agrees with that idea.
"When you're healthy, you can be yourself. But when you're not, it's hard to defend it or explain it, until you get healthy and be yourself, then people say, ‘Oh, we thought he was done.'
I understand fans frustration with A-Rod given his steroid admission, among a variety of other things, but attempting to deny his ability would be foolish. A-Rod, like it or not will go down as one of the greatest players to ever play the game. He held the torch as the games best for several years, but now his time has come to pass the torch. The only question that remains is who will take the torch from Alex Rodriguez?
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Something tells me....
you are a Brewer fan
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 14, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
No, I’m a Pirates fan. The reason is, based on the statistics Prince is the second best all-around hitter in baseball. And since the best has a physique reminiscent of Hulk Hogan and “Macho Man” Randy Savage* if you get my drift, my vote is for the Brewer.
*or the Ultimate Warrior
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 14, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I like your reasoning
But I’m still not convinced he is the best “player” in the game. Maybe you would have more of an argument for best hitter, or maybe even best body.
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 14, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Which statistics?
And who’s the best to you, ARod?
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I think
I’m torn between Pujols and Mauer, but ultimately I think I would have to take Pujols. I also think we might have to consider Longoria, but that’s a few years away.
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 14, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd go Pujols as well, who's on pace for a HOF-level season of 10 WAR.
Longoria’s going to be a pain in the @$$ for the Sox and MFY for the next decade at least.
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Pujols is just a beast, I just hope the “s” word never surfaces around his name.
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 14, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t say Pujols definitely takes steroids. But I’ve seen the baseball movie with the bodybuilder many times, and it usually doesn’t have a happy ending.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 14, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d look at everything. Batting average, OPS, extra base hits, home runs, walks drawn, RBIs, strikeouts, and other stuff. Who has the best package of that. The top choices are Mauer, Utley, and Prince (and Pujols if you really want to count him).
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 14, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not count Pujols?
Also, RBI’s aren’t the best measurement of an individual hitter’s production – relies too much on the rest of the lineup.
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Tops in lying and cheating, maybe.
And second in non-apology apologies, behind Giambi.
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Although...
Manny is right in there for the non-apologetic apologies.
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I think I agree
You also have to account for how exhausting it is to catch day in and day out in the big leagues. Considering that it’s really amazing how consistent a hitter Mauer is, but it’s certainly hard to argue against Pujols.
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 14, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Postional leaders, listed by WAR this season:
Pujols – 5.1
Utley – 4.8
Zobrist – 4.6
Kemp – 4.2
Hanley – 4.1
Mauer – 4.1
Longo – 3.8
Fielder – 3.7
Scutaro – 3.6
J. Upton – 3.5
Jeter – 3.5
Inge – 3.5
Bartlett – 3.3
Ichiro – 3.3
R. Zimmerman – 3.2
Gutierrez – 3.1
Youk – 3.1
Crawford – 3.1
Panda – 3.1
Hunter – 3.0
Ibanez – 3.0
Morneau – 3.0
Rasmus – 3.0
WAR is adjusted for position, measures Batting and Fielding. And this list doesn’t include pitchers.
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As I was just copying from FanGraphs' list, I'll just link to them this time:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2009&month=0
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How is it that Chase Utley and Ben Zobrist aren’t even on your list?
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 14, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions
I reconsidered the list
And I agree Chase Utley deserves to be on this list; however, I cant include Ben Zobrist even considering his WAR
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 14, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
Too much of a chance that he’s just a fluke? Cause the Rays fans on DRB would probably find a way to persuade you.
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I’m sure they would, but I just cant say Ben Zobrist is one of the top 10 players in the game, I don’t even care what the stats say. I’m willing to bet if you surveyed every scout and executive in the game that you probably wouldn’t get more than a handful, if any, that say Ben Zobrist is among that group.
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 15, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm willing to say that he's in the Top 40, maybe.
This season does scream fluke to me – he’s a good player, but not THIS good.
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