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Should Halladay Be a Yankee?

It should not surprise you in the least that the Yankee name is in play for Blue Jays starter Roy Halladay. They have question marks in their starting rotation and well... they are the Yankees... so naturally rumors are flying.

Without a doubt Halladay could have a big time impact for the Yankees; he could have a huge influence on any club really. The Yanks once iron-clad rotation has not quite turned out the way they expected. CC has been solid but spots teams 3-4 runs a game and sure not the pitcher they expected to get when they made him the highest paid in baseball. AJ Burnett is streaky but well he has been his whole career. Wang just flat out sucks, going 1-6 with a 9.64 ERA before going on the DL last week. Joba has been decent but far from the fist pumping wonder boy that used to give Yankee fans wood. And Pettite is unreliable. One good start to go with two bad ones.


So the question becomes what do they give up because Toronto is going to want a significant return and maybe unload an overpaid veteran, Vernon Wells, who somehow fooled baseball into thinking he deserved money to play. You would assume that the Jays would target Jesus Montero and Austin Jackson, the Yankees top two prospects. Montero has all the hitting tools to become an all-star catcher but there are big concerns with his defensive ability and whether or not he can play catcher at the major league level. Jackson is the Yanks top outfield prospect. He is the most athletic player in their system and looks to be shaping up to be an everyday center fielder. The question is where does he fit in? The yanks are high on Gardner and have Swisher signed for a few years. Melkey is also in the mix. 


So Jackson and Montero could be on the block but Toronto would probably ask for Phil Hughes to sweeten the deal. Hughes who has been solid out of the bullpen never measured up the front line starter predictions of just a few years ago. Wang's name could get thrown in their. It is hard to ignore the fact that he won 19 games last season.
So while giving up Montero, Jackson and Hughes (assuming the Jays don't ask for more) would not be breaking the bank it doesn't seem like smartest deal for the Yanks. Halladay, who is 32, has one more year left on his contract and will probably be looking for a 5-6 year deal (worth lots of $$$) at the end of next season. The Yankees are an old, expensive, team as is; would they want to add another aging pitcher to their staff for the next few seasons? If they don't sign Halladay and just let him finish out his contract then they will have given up three of their better young players for just a season and a half of work.


Halladay is a rare talent; Jeter said "he's probably the best starter in baseball."  He may be aging but he can still pitch (he started the all star game last night) and has a CY Young sitting in his closet. For the Yanks it is a matter of win-now or save for later. We all know where the Steinbrenner family sits on this argument but this deal just does not seem worth it Bronx Bombers. Although as is, their 200 million dollar roster can't beat Boston so it's hard to imagine they do not create some headlines.

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Win Now or Save Prospects?

The question for the yankees is does Halladay turn them from contender to champion-caliber? I think the answer is yes. Like you said the yanks are an aging club. Why not do what it takes to win it all this year rather than save onto a few guys that might work out in a couple of seasons

by superman60616 on Jul 15, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a prospect fan?

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by bdalebs on Jul 15, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

not in the yanks case.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 16, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

I also misread the comment – I thought it said “might NOT work out…”

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by bdalebs on Jul 17, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will pass on reading your blog

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on Jul 15, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

always happy to meet a fan!

http://thebigappleandtheburgh.blogspot.com

by bigappleburgh on Jul 15, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm... he said he's not going to read your blog.

Opposite of a fan.

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by bdalebs on Jul 15, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That MAY have been sarcasm. Im still not quite sure

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)

by CB30 on Jul 15, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol at bs.uf15 for thinking that was serious

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 16, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're welcome for the laugh.

Tip you waiter.

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by bdalebs on Jul 17, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh. Spelling fail.

*your waiter.

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by bdalebs on Jul 17, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol it happens to everyone.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 18, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although, the line about Joba made me LOL.

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by bdalebs on Jul 15, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but Yankee fans get "hard" pver Jeter

so they will get hard over anything

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on Jul 15, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still funny.

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by bdalebs on Jul 15, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he should...

As a matter of fact, every team should just be a farm system for the Yankees.

What up?

by snakethejake on Jul 16, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

How about

“Could” Halladay be a Yankee.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

"Where's the beef?"

by MMunoz33 on Jul 16, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by bdalebs on Jul 16, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Yankees have the pieces to put together

 a nice trade with the Bluejays, but it comes down to whether Cashman will pony up the prospects and pull the trigger for a fair market value deal!

"Where's the beef?"

by MMunoz33 on Jul 16, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

If the Yanks want to put a deal together for Halladay

They are going to have to pay a premium over other teams just so JP would trade Halladay in the division.

And I still think packaging Vernon Wells with Halladay is a non-starter for the BlueBirds. They would just get more for Halladay by himself and packagin Wells to dump Salary does not help the organization.

The 20+Mil in savings for the next 5 years (well actually 12 Mil next year and 20+ the 4 years after) would have to spent on a replacement player who if you are trying to buy a star will have to pay a premium for them to come play in Toronto.

I just don’t see it happening (Wells being packaged, or even a trade to the Yanks).

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Jul 16, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

exactly

very indepth analysis, but sounds about right. Just to elaborate on the idea where to pay a star more to come to a rebuilding team, why did Dunn sign with the Nationals?

I Have Spoken.

by The_Fan on Jul 16, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I didn’t just mean paying a star to come to a rebuilding team although that is part of it.

I was more referring to having Free Agents come to play in Toronto specifically. To play on the turf, and in Canada where Baseball is a second class sport in comparison to the coverage hockey receives.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Jul 16, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya

I know. It must suck being part of a rebuilding process. But on the bright side, if you are a good veteran and sign a 1 year deal with a rebuilding club, chances are they might trade you to a contender for prospects

I Have Spoken.

by The_Fan on Jul 16, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wells being dumped DOES help the organization

cuz he’s playing like absolute dog shit.

There is no reason he should even be starting. HE is one of the main reasons they stink this year, as is Rios

Packaging Wells and his $20 million is probably a way of the Jays getting LESS out of a deal because they probably want to get rid of him so bad.

They have a few guys in the minors who could play defense in center (centre?) as good as him and have enough of a pulse at the plate to better his production….and NOT MAKE $20 million a year!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who in the minors could play Center? And would be a replacement level player for Wells? Or for that matter who could play Right? And move Rios to center if you dump Wells?

Wells may not be playing up to his lofty contract but that does not mean he hasn’t been a useful player. He has stolen more bases this year and has become an even smarter baserunner. He should of be moved lower in the lineup a lot earlier then what he was, which just makes peoples impressions that much worse.

I won’t argue that his contract isn’t horrible because it is. But that doesn’t mean he is complete shit.

I will also Not argue that Wells has been good, because he has obviously been performing below expectations, but it is a far cry from below expectations to complete shit.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Jul 16, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

so complete shit is a bit overboard.

But I was really refering to his level of play combined with his contract, mean he is a shitty value for your team.

Just as a comparison, Brett Gardner’s completely outplaying him this season, and makes a fraction of the percentage.

As for ‘replacing’ Wells, Rios could easily move to CF, and they could find more PT for Travis Snider.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Travis Snider will be looking to get more playing time in place of David Delucci and Jose Bautista regardless.

Which would you prefer? An Outfield of, Snider, Wells, Rios or Delucci/Bautista/Any other AAAA we can throw in there in Left or right with Rios and Center and Snider in Left/Right?

If Wells was blocking Snider I could buy your argument, but he is not. Again I completely agree on value of the contract but nothing we can do about that now and we have to deal with it. I would still rather have Wells in there vs some plug in AAAA players from the minor leagues or guys that have drifted from team to team.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Jul 16, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

its the point of

moving on and having some financial flexibility.

Wells is partly useful, I know that. Its just that since the Jays are not the Yankees or Red Sox having Wells on the roster hampers them from signing people.

But just for getting rid of his contract, along with Halladay’s, it would help the Jays immensely in order to find replacements.

I mean i know finding another Halladay is next to impossible, but finding a guy to be better than Wells right now and for 1/4 the price is not all that hard. And you could use taht other $15 million on whatever you like.

Plus if (when) the Jays trade Scott Rolen? That’s a lot of payroll that’s not necessarily dead weight of course, but it could be useful.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rios has been one of the three best right fielders in baseball

over the last three years, why would you move him to center?

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Jul 21, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because he can put his defense to better use in CF?

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by bdalebs on Jul 21, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's no guarantee his defensive will translate to centerfield.

Although looking at his career in center, it probably would. Should have looked it up before I commented

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Jul 22, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I was just speculating.

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by bdalebs on Jul 22, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rios has been great (defensively) while in Centerfield.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Jul 22, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hurrah for my random guess.

Hope y’all find a way to get out of Wells’ contract – with better results than the Lugo fiasco, for your sake.

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by bdalebs on Jul 23, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubtful,

Its just too large to buy out especially after eating BJ’s contract. And I don’t see a way of packaging him with Halladay without setting the franchise so far back it hurts.

Really I am still a fan of VW, I am hoping he can pull out of it, I am not saying he can live up to the contract but if he can push up his numbers again next year it will be more bearable.

I would still like if Rios would move to Center and Rios to right, but Im not sure that will happen.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Jul 23, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only way I see the Jays trading Doc to the Yankees is with Wells and his contract going to NY too.

by Ohpityme on Jul 19, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Halliday

I can see trading Montero if his defense is an issue and Jackson but not Hughes. My concern is that with Gardner injured only Melky and Swisher are good defensively for now. There will be a gap in the outfield until Gardner returns and again over the long term after the season is over. I think that Hughes is close enough in value to Halliday that someone like Kennedy (or another starting prospect) and a reliever such as Bruney or Melancon should be substituted for Hughes in the formula.

by logiet on Jul 26, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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