John Heyman: Phillies Favored to Land Halladay

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 20, 2009 9:38 AM EDT Comment 18 comments

Here are some highlights from SI.com John Heyman Daily Scoop.

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Phillies remain everyone's favorite to land Halladay. Heyman believes the teams are at a point where they have already begun discussing some of the Phillies top prospects (Michael Taylor, Jason Donald and Carlos Carrasco).
If the Phillies are willing to give up Kyle Drabek, "they might get (Halladay) real quick", said one competing executive.
One A.L. executive believes a package of Donald and Carrasco would fall well short. Other competing executives believe the Phillies must include Drabek
Ruben Amaro may be changing his statement that Drabek is "untouchable".
Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi understands if teams don't want to part with their top prospects, but he admits it most likely will lessen the opportunity for them to get Halladay
The Giants appear to be "kicking the tires"
The Angels, an early favorite for Halladay, seem to be out of the picture. They apparently don't want to part with their prospects.
The Yankees still have an outside shot even though the Blue Jays have said they will look outside the division first.
The Yankees would have to surrender either Joba Chamberlin or Phil Hughes to get Halladay. Additionally, they would have to probably give up prospect Austin Jackson, and either one of their two catchers Jesus Montero or Francisco Cervelli.
The Giants might be interested in Alex Rios. Apparently the two discussed a Rios-for-Lincecum swap a year ago.
There is no evidence the Jays are trying to attach Vernon Wells to any deal.
Ricciardi puts the chances of a deal at "50-50"

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WOW

Rios for Lincecum deal.

I wonder who nixed that?

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 20, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions

LOL

The giants would be a laughing stock if they would have pulled the trigger there.

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by winchester5 on Jul 20, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions

That was no more than a rumour

It was Rios for Cain that was actually being discussed.

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by craig in calgary on Jul 20, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Heyman

The Giants are an intriguing entry. Their first priority has to be their sagging offensive production. Although they’ve shown past interest in Jays outfielder Alex Rios, who has about $63 million remaining on his contract through 2014, (the sides seriously discussed a Rios-for-Lincecum swap a year ago), Rios’ name hasn’t come up yet, a person familiar with their talks said.

No offense to you, but I’ll take Heyman sources over yours.

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 20, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions

really?

I wouldn’t trust Heyman if he said that the Giants played in the NL West.

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by hugo on Jul 20, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

nope, never talks about tim

Cain was “publicly” (or maybe more accurately in rumors) mentioned, but the Giants never mentioned Lincecum. if his name came up, it was only because the Jays brought it up and it was immediately shot down. Even Cain discussions didn’t go long.

by 18 Mile on Jul 21, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions

you're right

I remember when those discussions were going on. The Giants made some inquiries about a Rios for Cain swap, the Jays countered by asking for Lincecum and SF lost interest quick. Also, this was back in the 2007 offseason, when Lincecum was coming off a so-so rookie season and not a Cy Young winner, and when Rios was a All-Star and not a bum.

by ChrisU on Jul 23, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea that’s pretty crazy. Giants are very fortunate they didn’t do that deal.

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 20, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions

And to think at the time I was iffy on the deal although I was still for it.

And this coming from a Jays fan. Rios was coming off his breakout year with the promise of more power to come and was looking like a 5 tool stud… Amazing what 2 years can do.

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by JohnnyG on Jul 20, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions

I still don't see Halladay going anywhere

Any team would have to nuke their farm system and then pay Roy megabucks on top of that. The only teams with the resources to do that are the Yanks and the Red Soxs, and I can’t see Toronto sending Halladay to a division rival.

by IceStormV1 on Jul 20, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions

I dont know

That Phillies deal looks pretty good, depending on if Taylor is involved.

Its in the best interest of the Jays to trade him away and get maximum value now and get young pieces for the future.

Can you imagine the AL East in about 3 years if a deal gets done? The Yankees could be the worst team in the division.

by backtocali on Jul 20, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Trading Doc to the Yanks would probably make me vomit

That being said…a package with Hughes, Jackson and Montero would be enough to keep me from flying to Toronto to punch JP in the neck.

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by craig in calgary on Jul 20, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions

Don’t worry. I live in Toronto. I can take care of that.

If the Jays trade Halladay it has to be in a package that includes the top prospect of the team they trade him to: the so-called “untouchable” prospects. Halladay’s that good.

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by furcifer on Jul 21, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions

NEEDS TO BE DONE

The Phils need to do this trade. I’d be weary of trading Drabek though. He has untapped potential and could be special in this league. Lots of wear and tear on that arm of Halladay.

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by bdalebs on Jul 21, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Nats should get Halladay...

and Matt Holiday since they are always on a holiday. Oh wait, I forgot they have the stingiest owners in baseball. If they just put out a good product, they could eventually rival Yanks and Red Sox fan base and revenue. It takes money to put out a good product most of the time and I don’t see it at all with the squeaky current ownership. Sad.

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by Jackie Moon on Jul 21, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions

I was fairly certain the Lincecum for Rios swap was from 2 years ago

by McCann's the Man on Jul 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions

If the Giants pulled the trigger on that move even a year ago, that would go down as one of the worst deals ever! The Hallday sweepstakes are really very interesting, and I still feel like the Phillies have the pieces and the need to pull the trigger. Steve Phillips seems to think it would be a good idea for nearly every team to make the move, but honestly I totally disagree. Logic like his sure helps to explain how during his tenure he ruined the Mets by stacking up on aging and expensive vets, despite taking them to subway series in 2000. Taking into consideration the variables of the deal, I would be very cautious to ship out any young developed proven mlb players. I live in L.A. and I am honestly praying that we don’t make the mistake of succumbing to the pressure of adding Roy’s big name if will cost us Clayton. If the Jays are asking for Kershaw to be included, I’d have to respectfully decline any deal. A guy like Kershaw is on the up, and has the physical makeup to dominate for years. He has really come into his own the last few months, just check out his last 10 starts and his wicked k/9 innings. He’s never had any injuries, not to mention he is a lefty. Giving up a cheap stud like Kershaw who has yet to even hit arbitration is just too much even in a straight up swap. In my opinion trading Kershaw who has the potential to be just as good, if not better than Halladay just doesn’t make any financial sense for the Dodgers.

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by mspokny on Jul 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions