Sleeper Team Emerges For Roy Halladay
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 23, 2009 6:20 PM EDT
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General consensus around baseball is that Roy Halladay is a perfect fit for the Phillies, and many experts from Buster Olney to Peter Gammons all feel if Halladay goes anywhere, he's going to go to the Phillies.
However, John Heyman of SI.com says, don't count out the Milwaukee Brewers. Ultimately, the Brewers may be the sleeper team under the rug, much like they were last year when they acquired CC Sabathia.
Furthermore, Heyman said.
- Top Brewers executives Gord Ash and Dick Groch scouted Halladay in his last start.
- Milwaukee could build a package around young left-hander Manny Parra.
- One competing executive said, "Doug Melvin is a very good GM, he could pull something off like this," however, another competing executive said, " I don't think Melvin will do it. He gave up two top ten prospects last year."
- One competing GM said, "They definitely have the prospects to do it."
- Melvin has said prior that he believes Mat Gamel and Alcides Escobar are very close to being "untouchable", but it's likely they would have to give up at least one for Halladay.
- Halladay does have a no-trade clause, but he has indicated winning is most important. Still unknown if he would approve a trade to the Brewers.
- One drawback to Milwaukee is the team trains in Arizona, and Halladay spends his offseason in Florida.
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Off topic but...
Whats up with the Holliday to Cards deal? Is it really Wallace for Holliday straight up? That is a very strange deal.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
I was just looking that up.
Most recent: http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/2805049989
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sweet thanks.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
Hmm... would be interesting.
They did get draft picks from the MFY for Sabathia, right? Or did Teix cause the 1st rounder to go to LA?
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They still got a 2nd rounder though
And the comp pick of course.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What really sucked was the Jays picks getting bumped two third tier since AJ was rated Type A Free agent….
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
errr to Third…
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Even more so
The Brewers didn’t get any compensation for losing Ben Sheets. I know he was hurt, but still. They thought they’d get two first rounders and two comp picks for losing CC and Sheets, instead they got one comp pick and a second rounder. Ouch….
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 23, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Just not going to happen
John Heyman really is just throwing out names here. Brewers have the prospects in Escobar and Gamel, but they wont/shouldnt pull the trigger. He may have an owner that is all about “win now”, but if Melvin is a “smart GM” as was mentioned, the wont trade his top 3 prospects away 2 years in a row, and damage the team (quite badly) for the future.
Halladay wont approve a trade coming to Milwaukee anyway. He wouldnt be improving his playoff chances, or team quality a ton by moving from Toronto to Milwaukee.
The whole thing is speculative. Brewers have pieces (which wont be dealt), they are still in the playoff hunt (at a game over .500), and they did the deal last year, but even with Halladay its a stretch for the Brewers to make the playoffs, they bankrupt the future, and Halladay will want out at year end, nor is it likely he approves a deal to come here.
I believe I was Nostrodamus on this....
ballstroking aside, I actually think this is a better investment than CC was, of coruse cuz they can have Halladay next season too.
And with guys like JJ Hardy and when he comes back, Rickie Weeks, its not like the Brewers really have a spot for Escobar anyway.
They won’t give up the farm, like with CC. They may have to throw in either one more prospect or just a better one cuz of the fact Halladay is signed or another year.
But they make as much sense as any team cuz unlike the Phillies, they have to beat out the other teams in their division (rather than simply wait for the Mets to choke/have all their players injured)
Not quite
If a player is traded in the middle of a multi year deal, he can demand a trade at the end of the season, or become a free agent. So even if Halladay were to have a temporary brain aneurism (sp?) and accept a trade to the Brewers, he could turn right around at the end of the year and want out.
As for Hardy, he has regressed pretty badly this year, and Escobar is a Gold Glove shortstop waiting to happen, if anything Hardy goes in a trade.
The Phillies would be making the trade for the NLCS and WS, not to simply make the playoffs, as would be the case with the Brewers. If what Halladay is saying is true, he’s going to see that and not accept to the Brewers. Heck, the Brewers cant afford to take on any of his salary this year anyway.
I don't see Manny Parra being the centerpiece for a Halladay deal
If Escobar or Gamel can’t be included. it seems unlikely that a trade would get done.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 23, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
That's what I thought
But sometimes you never know with these deals. He’s a young left-hander and maybe the Jays have him highly rated. However, I suspect you’re probably right.
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 23, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
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