Philly Fans You Want Roy Halladay? Here's The Offer!
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 24, 2009 7:22 PM EDT
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PrintAccording to Andy Martino of the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Blue Jays offer for Roy Halladay in offically on the table.
Martino Reports that the offer looks a little something like this.
Phillies Receive:
SP- Roy Halladay
Blue Jays Receive:
SP- Kyle Drabek
SP- J.A. Happ
OF- Dominic Brown
Now we've spoke endlessly about Halladay, probably sifting through a million different rumors, and still nothing. This is you're chance to play fantasy General Manager. Here's the offer, would you make the deal? Comment away!
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I would
I would give up Brown before Taylor and Happ, although a nice pitcher is a bottom of the rotation guy. The fact that they arent asking for Drabek and Carrasco is promising too.
I dont see this as much of a loss for the Phillies. I would do that deal in a second. Makes you wonder what the Angels, Dodgers or Brewers would have to offer.
Brewers definitely dont have the young pitching, but they can match Brown with Gamel and throw in another offensive piece to balance out Drabek or Happ, its that 3rd piece they cant bring (without selling the whole farm). Maybe Parra does it.
J.A. Happ
Funny he has a better record in the big leagues than Drabek does in Double-A, but he seems like an afterthought.
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 24, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Drabek has only 8 starts in double A
He’d have to have won all 8 to have better record than Happ. He’s 10-2 this year in A and AA. Still wins don’t matter. This is a solid deal for the Phils. Drabek is gonna be real good (1.82 and 3.33 FIP in single a and double respectively) while Happ has been lucky. Unsustainable low BABIP, only 6 K/9 and a 4.37 FIP much higher than his 2.68 ERA.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Because record means horse stuff when you're evaluating a pitcher.
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I thought
You didn’t want to give up Gamel?
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 24, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont/wouldnt
But if the Brewers were looking to match or come close to the reported Philly offer, Gamel would be the match there for Brown imo. Different types of players, but similar ceilings.
My guess is that Doug Melvin wants to think, or appear that they are still in the running for Halladay, but given the Phillies offer, realized now that he cant match it.
If the Jays are willing to accept a high end pitching prospect, a mlb ready/experienced pitcher and a high upside hitter, then other teams have to figure they have to throw in 2 top 10 prospects and one mlb ready guy. A lot of teams could probably come up with 2 of the 3, but for the Brewers, that would mean something like Gamel, Escobar and Parra. Just way too rich for them.
I like brown over taylor
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
If the Angels dont get him I hope Phillies do...
but is it the best offer the Jays have received? Id love to see Phillies and Dodgers NLCS. One thing I dont get about the Halladay situation is why would they want more than 2 pitchers in return they need hitters in the AL East. I dont think they just offered 3 players for Halladay but 2 prospects and J.A. Happ
They want power, We want respect...
ehh
happ i dont care about .. hes nothing special .. there a lots of happs .. brown is going to be a stud .. but we still have taylor .. so thats ok .. and i would rather include carrasco than drabek .. but i guess if u have to give up a future ace to get an ace now its fair
by jack is better than asante on Jul 24, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
If i were the jays, I’d insist the pitchers are Carrasco and Drabek, if they want to include Happ sure I’d take him but those two rate higher imo. Drabek, Carrasco, Taylor/Brown, and some low level specs is a good return for Halladay
by McCann's the Man on Jul 25, 2009 3:28 AM EDT reply actions
I think
The deal proposed in the article is a steal for the Phillies.
They don’t even have to include to Donald or Marson?
Only way this works fair for Toronto is if they get rid of Wells too.
Otherwise the Phillies are robbing them.
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