Dodgers, Indians Discuss Blockbuster Trade
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 26, 2009 5:29 PM EDT
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PrintKen Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Indians and Dodgers are "seriously discussing" a potential blockbuster deal that would send both Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez to the Dodgers in exchange for James Loney, one of the Dodgers' young starting pitchers, and prospects.
Rosenthal notes that the deal still does face significant obstacles, which is to be expected in any deal that involves so many players.
Additionally, he reports that because both Lee and Martinez are signed through 2010 the Dodgers may be willing to pay a steeper price to obtain both of them.
The Dodgers clearly aren't happy with their current team, even though they have built a substantial lead in the NL West, which is widely considered the worst division in baseball.
In terms of the young starting pitcher included it's believed that it would either be Clayton Kershaw or Chad Billingsley. No word yet on who it will be, but I have to imagine the Dodgers would much rather include Billingsley than they would Kershaw, however, the Indians would most likely demand Kershaw.
Class AA third baseman Josh Bell, Class AA outfielder Andrew Lambo, Class AAA starter Scott Elbert and Class AAA right-hander Josh Lindblom, are among the other prospects being talked about.
This could be a potentially huge deal for the Dodgers as they would acquire two All-Stars in one shot, however, I'm still interested to see if Kershaw is part of the deal. All reports were that the Dodgers weren't willing to part with him for Halladay, and if they weren't going to give him up for "Doc" I can't imagine a scenario where they would give him up for Lee, regardless if Martinez is in the deal. If they could get both Martinez and Lee for Billingsley, Loney and some other prospects than I think the Dodgers have to go ahead and pull of that deal. Lets not forget the Dodgers have to deal with the fact that the Cardinals just got Matt Holliday, and the potential that the Phillies get Halladay, which clearly has amped up their aggression.
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This doesn’t make sense for either team if the young SP is Bills or Kershaw. Trading either of those guys doesn’t make sense if you’re also trading Loney and prospects, I would even hesitate to do Loney and Bills/Kershaw for V-Mart and Lee. Also the Indians could likely get more by packaging the two separately. V-Mart for Buchholz and Lee to either the dodgers, rays, phillies, or angels
by McCann's the Man on Jul 26, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions
"NL West... is widely considered the worst division in baseball."
Are you high? The NL West is the best division in the NL. The Dodgers are killing it, and the Rockies and Giants are #’s 1&2 in the Wild Card race.
seriously its not that bad it just has bad rep.
this would be sick for the dodgers, and NL east is the worst division.
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 26, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I really hope they don’t land him though.
by bostonfanhater on Jul 26, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
angels will steal lee from the dodgers.
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 26, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There's just no way a deal like this is occuring.
Billingsley alone is worth more than Cliff Lee. There is no chance he is involved in the deal.
Additionally, I find it hard to believe that the Dodgers are unhappy with the team that produced the best record in baseball. And the NL West is not the worst division either, the Dodgers and Rockies are both really good and the Giants aren’t bad either.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 26, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
1) I agree Billingsley is better than Lee, which likely means this deal wont happen.
2) I’m sure the Dodgers are very happy, but knowing Joe Torre he’s not going to want to go into the postseason with such a young team. He’d love to acquire a veteran starter to further help this teams chances of winning a World Series.
3) I’ll admit saying the NL West is the worst division might be a bit of an overstatement this year, but please don’t try and convince me that it’s all that good. They have two pitiful teams in the Padres and Diamondbacks, along with two okay teams in the Giants and Rockies and one good team in the Dodgers. It’s arguable that the Dodgers would be the third or even possibly the forth best team in the AL East. Case in point the Dodgers are 26 games over .500 (62-36) and 18 games over .500 (30-12) against the NL West, which if you do the math means they’re only eight games over .500 against the rest of baseball.
by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 26, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, you know, we could find out how good they really are, and not how good they've appeared.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/22/958219/btb-power-rankings-through-tuesday#comments
@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.
This deal makes no sense
BIllingsley has been the Dodgers best pitcher, so why? Kershaw wouldn’t be traded for Halladay.
Loney should be traded, so maybe if they do Loney plus another prospect or 2 for V-mart that makes a bit more sense.
But Cliff Lee vs. Kershaw or Billingsley defeats the purpose of those guys.
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