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San Francisco Giants Trade For Freddy Sanchez

The Pittsburgh Pirates have traded second baseman Freddy Sanchez to the San Franscisco Giants for Double-A pitcher Tim Alderson, this according to Dean Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Sanchez is batting .296 with six homers and 34 RBI's for the Pirates this season.


G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2009 - Freddy Sanchez 86 355 45 105 28 3 6 34 20 60 5 1 .296 .334 .442

John Sickels of Minor League Ball grades Alderson a B+ (borderline A-) and ranks him the Giants third best prospect.

Sickels: "Doesn't have Bumgarner's stuff but pitched well at a higher level with great command."

SB Nation Expert take:

GrantMcCovey Chronicles

Sanchez is a nice player. Good defense. His one down year was probably due to a low BABIP. He's under contract through next year. Yeah, that's an upgrade worth trading for. But, good gravy, not with one of the more valuable trade chips in the system.

And I'm not the world's biggest Tim Alderson booster, either. He'd have to put a couple of ticks more on his fastball to really be an elite prospect, though his curve and control were already fantastic. I don't think he was the next Tim Lincecum, and I'm not even sure that he was the next Jason Marquis. What kills me, though, is that if the Giants were willing to trade Alderson, they could have traded for something they really needed. A hitter who knows how to get on base more than the average player, or a hitter with power. Sanchez is neither. He makes the lineup better, but, hey, you know who else would have made the lineup better? Felipe Lopez. You know, the guy whom the Brewers received for a couple of minor league tweaks. And then the Giants could have traded Alderson for another hitter. A Scott Barnes/Tim Alderson package wouldn't have been enough for Victor Martinez, but it would have been a heck of a start.

 

CharlieBucs Dugout

I'm excited to have Alderson in the organization, but the chance that the Pirates get nothing from this deal is fairly high, and I'm not sure Alderson's upside--I'd say he's a #3 or borderline #2 starter if all goes well--is worth it. I can certainly see why the Pirates made this move, and I think it's nice to balance the grab bags they got in the Jack Wilson and Nate McLouth trade with a riskier deal for more of a blue-chip player, but I'm not sure Alderson is the right blue-chip player. I really hope he proves me wrong, though.  

Fans Take:

18 Mile

Terrible

Alderson? I’m a bit shocked by this. Yes, there’s a chance that Alderson won’t make an impact in the majors. But even if he’s a #3 or borderline #2 … his value has to be higher than a Freddy Sanchez, a guy who’s only had 1 season in his career with an OPS > 800. A guy who had a sub-700 OPS last year. Let’s say he’s not as bad as he’s been in June-July (250/290/360 … 640 OPS), but not as good as he’s showing all this year, but a somewhere averaging his 2008 and 2009 numbers.

Aren’t they signing Edgar Renteria again, and hoping for the best case scenario?
Renteria in 2008: 270/320/380, 700 OPS, 10 HR, 6 SB, 3 CS, 37:64 K:BB.
Sanchez in 2008: 270/300/370, 670 OPS, 9 HR, 0 SB, 1 CS, 21:63 K:BB.

Barnes was expendable, as he wouldn’t have had a rotation spot on the Giants staff in 2011 or 2012. But Alderson? Assuming the Giants keep Lincecum, Cain and Bumgarner, and they stay healthy and pitch as expected, that’s a great 1-2 and Bumgarner will hopefully be fine as a 3. The Unit’s retired. Zito’s still on the books for nearly $40M and untradeable. Alderson was projected to be the SP4 in 2012. With him gone, that leaves one more spot. Maybe Jonathan Sanchez puts it together? Looking to rely on someone else being drafted who’s big league ready?

If a guy others project to be a #3 SP, borderline #2, is our #4, that’s not so bad. But it’s not the end of the world. He’s not untouchable.

But I would not have traded him for the 2009 version of Freddy Sanchez, who since June has been the 2009 version of Edgar Renteria.

Perfect MI duo:
2B: Sanchez: $6M in ’09, $8M in ’10. OPS of 650 since June ’09.
SS: Renteria: $7M in ’09, $9M in ’10. OPS of 625 in ’09.

I guess it’s inline with another big Sabean coup:
SP: Zito: $18.5M in ’09, $18.5M in ’10. 6-10, 4.5 ERA, 1.4 WHIP.

Giants must be planning on keeping Sanchez for ‘10 and maybe an extension.
And the Bucs really made out like bandits if they didn’t kick in any money for Sanchez’s salary this season.

Like anything in baseball, it could work out for the Giants, but I would say they could’ve done better; it’s like picking a guy in the first round that everyone else has projected to go in the 3rd round. Heeeeeyyyy … has anyone ever seen Sabean and Al Davis in the same room at the same time? Can we really verify that they’re actually 2 different people?

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Terrible

Alderson? I’m a bit shocked by this. Yes, there’s a chance that Alderson won’t make an impact in the majors. But even if he’s a #3 or borderline #2 … his value has to be higher than a Freddy Sanchez, a guy who’s only had 1 season in his career with an OPS > 800. A guy who had a sub-700 OPS last year. Let’s say he’s not as bad as he’s been in June-July (250/290/360 … 640 OPS), but not as good as he’s showing all this year, but a somewhere averaging his 2008 and 2009 numbers.

Aren’t they signing Edgar Renteria again, and hoping for the best case scenario?
Renteria in 2008: 270/320/380, 700 OPS, 10 HR, 6 SB, 3 CS, 37:64 K:BB.
Sanchez in 2008: 270/300/370, 670 OPS, 9 HR, 0 SB, 1 CS, 21:63 K:BB.

Barnes was expendable, as he wouldn’t have had a rotation spot on the Giants staff in 2011 or 2012. But Alderson? Assuming the Giants keep Lincecum, Cain and Bumgarner, and they stay healthy and pitch as expected, that’s a great 1-2 and Bumgarner will hopefully be fine as a 3. The Unit’s retired. Zito’s still on the books for nearly $40M and untradeable. Alderson was projected to be the SP4 in 2012. With him gone, that leaves one more spot. Maybe Jonathan Sanchez puts it together? Looking to rely on someone else being drafted who’s big league ready?

If a guy others project to be a #3 SP, borderline #2, is our #4, that’s not so bad. But it’s not the end of the world. He’s not untouchable.

But I would not have traded him for the 2009 version of Freddy Sanchez, who since June has been the 2009 version of Edgar Renteria.

Perfect MI duo:
2B: Sanchez: $6M in ’09, $8M in ’10. OPS of 650 since June ’09.
SS: Renteria: $7M in ’09, $9M in ’10. OPS of 625 in ’09.

I guess it’s inline with another big Sabean coup:
SP: Zito: $18.5M in ’09, $18.5M in ’10. 6-10, 4.5 ERA, 1.4 WHIP.

Giants must be planning on keeping Sanchez for ‘10 and maybe an extension.
And the Bucs really made out like bandits if they didn’t kick in any money for Sanchez’s salary this season.

Like anything in baseball, it could work out for the Giants, but I would say they could’ve done better; it’s like picking a guy in the first round that everyone else has projected to go in the 3rd round. Heeeeeyyyy … has anyone ever seen Sabean and Al Davis in the same room at the same time? Can we really verify that they’re actually 2 different people?

by 18 Mile on Jul 29, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I called it

and you critized me on a different post for saying they would sell high

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Punto

by The_Fan on Jul 29, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mea culpa

You were right Fan. I don’t remember criticizing you, but you would remember better. I’m sure the Bucs wanted to sell Sanchez as high as they could … I just never imagined anyone would actually bite. Coulud NH have been whispering into Sabean’s ear that the Twins were ready to Aaron Hicks?
   
Either one of 2 things are true:
  a) Sabean has the 2006 all star game running on a continuous loop at his home
  b) someone needs to get me invited to join Sabean’s weekly poker games.

by 18 Mile on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna bump this

Nice detailed comment, it’s going on the home page

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 29, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

gracie

Thanks Matt. But I realized I goofed: reversed “K:BB” – should be “BB:K.”
Wish the Giants had someone with that good of a batting eye … wouldn’t be dead last in BB and OBP.

by 18 Mile on Jul 31, 2009 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sold Sky high on Sanchez

hes on the downside of his career like 18 mile said on a different post, I remember I said the Pirates were going to sell high

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Punto

by The_Fan on Jul 29, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem with this trade

from the Giants’ perspective, is that we gave up Alderson for Freddy Sanchez, when Alderson is exactly the type of player a package for Holliday or someone of that ilk could have been built around. He’s not Brett Wallace, but he could have brought back more than Freddy Sanchez, though I’m very happy he’s playing 2B for us now.

by Gob on Jul 29, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Every team should be trying to pillage the Giants system right about now.

They do need to be making trades to upgrade the offense so at least they arn’t doing nothing, but it seems like they are so afraid of rent-a-players they are getting really marginal returns just becasue there is another year or two under team control. I would think they could have gotten an Adam Kennedy (if he dared to trade with the A’s) for around a #15 prospect and saved Alderson for a better player this year or next.

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Jul 30, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Alderson is one of the Giants best prospects

Freddy Sanchez is an above average middle infielder?

Agree with getting Sanchez, but why Alderson?

Could the Pirates finally be making trades that they win out on?

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 30, 2009 6:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Partially agree

Alderson was definitely not going to be a top of the rotation type of guy. Very nice prospect, but if they had packaged him with one other guy the Giants probably could have gotten more bang for their buck in a Dan Uggla, Alexis Rios, Adam Dunn type of deal.

The Giants definitely needed a 2nd baseman, so that fills a need for them, but they could have gone pretty far down their top 10 prospects list to get someone to compensate the Pirates for Sanchez more equitably.

Another nice move for Pittsburgh, but the trend I am seeing with them is that they have really started to stock up on mid to bottom of the rotation type of players. They still dont have an ace of the future anywhere in the system yet. They really should have gone big time pitcher in the draft this year (even though I like Sanchez, though not at #4).

by backtocali on Jul 30, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

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