Red Sox To Acquire Victor Martinez

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 31, 2009 1:58 PM EDT Comment 39 comments

Update 3:29 ET: MLB Networks Tom Verducci says the third player going to Cleveland is Bryan Price.

Update 3:07 ET: USA Today's Bob Nightengale tweets "Done Deal," but no conformation on the return.

Update 2:45 ET: Mayo updates (via twitter) that Masterson and Hagadone are part of the deal, but the teams are still working to see who will go along with them.

Update 2:41 ET: Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com tweets that Justin Masterson and Nick Hagadone are part of the deal, but no word if that's it.

Update 2:33 ET: Rosenthal and Morosi say neither Clay Buchholz or Daniel Bard is in the deal.

Update 2:26 ET: Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse tweets that if the Red Sox need to flip Adam LaRoche to make room for Martinez the Marlins aren't interested.

Update 2:22 ET: Ken Rosenthal and John Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com confirm the report that the Red Sox are on the verge of acquiring Victor Martinez. They duo reports that it's a straight up deal between the Sox and Indians, and that no third team is involved. However, still now word on what the Red Sox are giving up.

Update 2:04 ET: Ed Price of AOL FanHouse tweets, that it "looks good" for Victor Martinez to the Red Sox, but still no word on the haul.

USA Today's Bob Nightengale is reporting that the Red Sox are on the verge of acquiring Victor Martinez from the Indians.

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So does this mean no more Adrian Gonzalez?

I’d imagine Martinez plays a lot of 1st now.

by TheFunkle on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions

Yep.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Not Really

I see a the chance of getting both and platooning tek and v-mart plus youk/gonzo at 1st and youk/lowell at 3rd and some combo of all of them plus pappi at dh pleanty of rest for all

TheBigRib

by Ribs35 on Jul 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

cuz that makes sense

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Why not it could work

Don’t forget Ortiz may not play as much so those players could also DH and Youk can play the outfield.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Youk in the OF?

Id be down for that too!!

He’s an average 3B. He’s a Gold glove caliber 1st baseman. Any time you guys want to move him away from 1st is OK with me. Its like Texiera for the Yanks. He played 3rd at GT and Im sure he could fill in for A-Rod if needed and be as good as Youk at 3rd.

But why?

That’s just too many 1st baseman and guys playing out of position to make sense. You can do it, you can also drive a car with your feet. THat doesn’t make it a good idea.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice.

Im glad for this. Considering V-Mart is a worse defender than Lowell at his position, he’ll move an excellent fielding 1st baseman in Youkilis from his position, and also the fact that Martinez is NOT much if any better than Mike Lowell.

Considering they were in on Adrian Gonzalez, this is great news for a Yankee fan. V-Mart, like the Red Sox, was good in April, May and early June. Now? Yesterday’s news.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions

My guess is that they had to many obstacles in the way for Gonzalez

But I’m inclined to agree with you. I don’t really see how this improves the team a whole lot.

by TheFunkle on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions

It really doesnt much

Other then the fact that he can play two – three positions it doesnt help..much his production lately has been poor but so has gonzo’s the last month!!!

TheBigRib

by Ribs35 on Jul 31, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Gonzo's

production only is down simply because you don’t have to pitch to him. No one gets on in front of him, and no one knocks him in when he gets on.

So why would you even pitch to the guy?

And then when they do, he’s so surprised that he sees a strike he doesn’t do much with it.

If he batted in a lineup like the Red Sox, that would have been scary.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

This.

Would’ve preferred no deals to be made today, but I would have wanted AGon if he was available for an additional similar level prospect, instead of this lame move.

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by bdalebs on Jul 31, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Wonder

If they gave up Buchholz

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

no word on anything.

I’m pretty sure Bowden’s in there tho.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Doubtful

more like a nobody from single A with a 97 mph fastball and is an injury risk. The Indians like guy with high ceiling with little ability to actual reach it.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

nah...

why say that?

I keep hearing that they lost the Cliff Lee deal, but Carassco is still one of their best prospects if not their best.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

not the

way has looked this year. Carassco reminds me of Andy Marte. High ceiling apparency, young for his league but fails in AAA and above.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions

eh...

Carasco still has as much potential as any B+ Pitching prospect. He also got a few other real nice players. The only “Single A guy who throws 97” was Knapp I think.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

That guys arm

is going to blow up if he doesn’t change his mechanics. (Knapp) We will see on Carassco but again why has his development stalled? Sound familiar.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

true

mechanics are a funny thing. You got guys like Lincecum and then you got guys like Mark Prior.

Carassco who knows. Maybe he’s just stalled with the Phillies. Maybe the Indians call him up, cuz they need to, and he does well.

He might be shot, he might just need a change of scenery, or just the new coaches can “fix” him.

Its just too early to even say the Indians got a raw deal on any of these.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

My guess

the Indians don’t call up Carassco this year. Then give him a chance to win a spot next year.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Insert

Nick Hagadone

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1 All Star for 3 bullpen arms. Awful

by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Bowden isn't involved.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 31, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions

1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal

by Mike-Dub on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions

Thats is 1:27 Central Time

by Mike-Dub on Jul 31, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Clay and Bard

are way to much to pay for V-Mart. My guess is someone no one knows about the Indians are very poor at trades.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

I heard it on MLB network too

that’s a win right there Id say.

But I still don’t see where he helps. With all these guys, Laroche still is there too isn’t he?

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

LaRoche

is going to be traded away for prospects.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

good call.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Masterson and Nick Hagadone

are part of the deal

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 31, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions

Wow

V-Mart is signed through 2010 right?

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 31, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

$7 Million club option

So basically yes

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 31, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Sound like and Indians deal

to me. Masterson is a nice bullpen guy nothing more. Hagadone as far as I know is about the same.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

More Players involved

Just don’t know who yet, but it’s not just those two

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 31, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

was gonna say

Shapiro isn;t the greatest GM, but if that was it he would be the worst.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Depth

over impact definitely an Indians deal.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions

PTNL

guaranteed the Indians love those even though I can’t ever recall an impact PTNL. Heck not many PTNL even make the majors.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Looks like 3rd Player

Is Bryan Price

Sickels: “High upside arm, though he might advance more slowly if used as a starter than as a reliever.”

by Matt Buggenhagen on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Three bullpen arms

for an All Star ? Is this the best Shapiro can do? We all know bullpen pitchers are inconsistent and this deal could look awful in a few years. Good one not Sharp Shapiro.

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by E5 on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions

Weak return

Masterson could be a back of rotation guy, he’s started 15 games with 9 QS’s over past 2 seasons. But he’s more effective in relief. Hagadone has all of 25 ip since having TJ surgery. Price has a 6.5 ERA in high A ball this year after a 2.5 ERA in low A last year.

And Martinez is under control for $7M next year. I think that’s a pretty weak trade for the Tribe.

by 18 Mile on Jul 31, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions