Billy Wagner changes mind, traded to Boston
by Eli Greenspan on Aug 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT
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After a sudden change of heart, the Mets have agreed to send Billy Wagner to the Mets in exchange for two players to be named later.
The deal was believed to be held up by the Sox's refusal to not only decline the option, but to not offer him arbitration, which would make him more valuable to a team because they would not lose any draft picks to sign him.
In exchange for Wagner waiving his no-trade clause, the Red Sox agreed not to exercise his $8 million option for 2010. However, the Sox maintained the right to offer Wagner arbitration, rejecting another condition he had sought as part of the deal.
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“Lose the Wild Card to Texas”
+1
they lose out to Texas and miss the playoffs
-1
Defense. That’s all I have to say.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 25, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I mean...
The Rangers are fifth in UZR (+34.8) and the Red Sox are 21st (-22.2).
Are you people insane?
by jwiscarson on Aug 25, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Red Sox fans DO have an altered perception of reality,
that much IS certain.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 26, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
New SS Baby.
No more botched DP’s.
It’s already begun…1 and a half today…2 and a half tomorrow…3 and a half the next day…
You’ll forget alllll about baseball by the time Dallas loses to the Giants week two.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Who?
Nick Green and his 3.2 UZR? Jed Lowrie and his 2.9?
Julio Lugo was a -8, but a new shortstop is not going to make up a 57 run difference in UZR. The Red Sox have three position players well above average at their positions: Youkilis (4.9), Pedroia, (11.1), and Drew (9.9).
Pedroia is completely negated by Mike Lowell (-11.1), and Drew’s outfield compatriots look like they need motorized assistance to play baseball on a major-league level. Ellsbury is a -13.8 defender, and Jason Bay is a whopping -17.8. That’s three whole wins that your left and center fielders cost you by themselves.
Unless the Red Sox signed a cheetah with kangaroo legs and the ability to catch a baseball, the Red Sox defense still sucks.
Alex Gonzales.
Guess you’re not as informed as you thought.
You don’t watch much baseball do you?
Because if you think Ellsbury is a great defender, than you’re either blind or can’t differentiate between players in the outfield. He made his first career error in June this year, in his third year, and covers more ground than a tarp…I honestly don’t care what your UZR says.
By the way…2 and a half. Might wanna start taking an interest in football.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 27, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't think*
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 27, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice burn.
Alex Gonzalez (guess you don’t watch much baseball if you misspelled his name) and his whopping 1.6 UZR. My rudimentary understanding of the number system tells me that you’ll need to run another 35 of him out there every day to make up the defensive difference.
I’m glad you whipped out that error total for Ellsbury, because god knows that errors and fielding percentage are the best way to measure defensive performance, and that you shouldn’t actually factor in a defender’s range or something like that. You come really close to using the crotchety-old-sportswriter “you must watch the games to understand how great player x is!”.
If you think subjective perception is the best way to measure a numbers game like baseball, then I can understand why you keep talking about football so much. Maybe you should talk to anyone who’s done any scientific research on the human mind in all of recorded history. Pretty much all of them will tell you that the brain isn’t so great at remembering facts objectively.
I’m curious, though. Do you think Zack Greinke is a crappy pitcher because he has a 12-8 record? I mean, there’s no possible way that you could measure pitchers better than using W-L record, right?
You're missing one option.
The Rangers will beat out the Red Sox.
Scott
Eli, you forgot the last two poll options:
4. Will be, like, omigod, the awesomest ever
5. Will be, like, way better than your team
More casual than the average fan.
by baseball conspiracy theories on Aug 26, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
How about 4)
Doesn’t start, so is an irrelevant addition. He makes them worse cuz he sucks, is also another possibility(cuz you know, the Mets bullpen choked last year…Wagner part of Mets pen……= Suck)
Do what Jerry Hairston do
must be alot of boston fans voting in this poll
no way they make it to the world series
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