Commentary: Do White Sox Grow Players Better Than the Cubs Do?
The New York Times' Dan McGrath wrote in Times' Sunday paper that the White Sox develop players better than the Cubs do. It is hard to argue one way or the other, considering it was 2008 when catcher Geovany Soto won Rookie of the Year and in 2009 White Sox infielder Gordon Beckham had a breakout year.
The Cubs will only have two position players in their Opening Day lineup that are homegrown while the White Sox will have just one (excluding Kosuke Fukudome and Alexei Ramirez).
Both teams have a slew of pitchers that are homegrown, the notables - Carlos Zambrano, Carlos Marmol, and Randy Wells - and for the Sox - Mark Buehrle and Bobby Jenks - make up key parts of their respective teams pitching staffs.
McGrath argues that the White Sox not only draft better, but develop their talent better than their rival Northsiders. Since the Cubs added amateur scout Tom Wilken, they have actually done very well in the draft. The farm system is restocked and several players are nearing the major league level. Let's take go back to 2006 and see who the Cubs have taken and where are they now.
2006 notables - OF Tyler Colvin, P Jeff Samardzija - both in major league camp.
2007 notables - 3B Josh Vitters (reassigned to minors), C Josh Donaldson (sent to Oakland for Rich Harden)
2008 notables - RP Andrew Cashner (in major league camp), INF Ryan Flaherty (in major league camp), P Chris Carpenter (2.82 ERA in Double-A)
2009 notables - OF Brett Jackson (reassigned to minors)
Prior to 2005, the Cubs draft picks are "one Ozzie Timmons after the other," but the Cubs are on the verge of adding several homegrown prospects to their roster in the next two to three seasons.
Away from the draft boards, we can't forget about some of the young talent the team has added. Anyone heard of Starlin Castro? Castro is coming off a tremendous 2009 season and is hitting .400 in spring training. He is expected to start (key word, start) in Triple-A this season.
Another shortstop prospect, Hak-ju Lee, is making a name for himself at the lower levels and if he follows up on his 2009 campaign, his name could be in the mix of top ten Cubs prospects.
Back to the White Sox.
Let's go back to 2006 and see how the White Sox have done in drafting and developing talent.
2006 notables - P Kyle McCulloch (now 24, posted a 4.65 ERA in 2008 and a 4.58 ERA in 2009, both in Double-A), P Brian Omogrosso (in major league camp)
2007 notables - P Aaron Poreda (traded to SD in Jake Peavy Deal), P John Ely (traded to LA in Juan Pierre deal)
2008 notables - 2B Gordon Beckham (well, he's pretty good), P Dan Hudson (in major league camp), OF Jordan Danks.
2009 notables - Jared Mitchell (in major league camp, 2010 season in question after injury)
From everyone in both lists, the Cubs have only had two of their players make major league appearances (Colvin and Samardzija) while the White Sox have had two as well (Beckham and Poreda).
The White Sox made a tremendous signing in Alexei Ramirez, who is a .283 hitter in two seasons. They also signed Dayan Viciedo, but he has yet to make a serious impact or generate buzz for that matter.
The bottom line is that the Cubs are in a transitional phase waiting to see how their young players perform at the upper levels of minor leagues. However, the same can be said for the White Sox, who will likely send Dan Hudson and Jordan Danks to Double-A, maybe Triple-A.
When the two Chicago teams can clear some unwanted payroll from the roster, it will give way to some of their young players to emerge and become a team built from the ground up, similar to the Rays, Twins, or Rockies.
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Analyzing the most recent drafts tells us nothing at all about the talent development ability of either club because those players are still developing. You need to go back and see what they did with players who went through the entire development process and see if they succeeded or not.
Also, concluding that each team has players on the horizon is no conclusion at all. Every team has players on the horizon. The whole point of the article is what do those players do when they make it to the big leagues. You haven’t told us anything by pointing out a bunch of recent draftees who are still in the minors.
i agree i think the main thing was always them saying the white sox put out better pitching prospects then us but i think samardja is going to be good for us as well as andrew cashner who is said to be a closer option if marmol strugles and i think our outfield in a few years is going to be very good with colvin jackson and possibly fuld and the sox there best pitcher prospect poreda they traded for peavy which was a good trade but i think there minor league system is in more trouble then ours because were goign to get castro up at some time this year and there is talk about having tyler colvin stay up because of how good he is doing now in spring traning
by Adam Tarasievich on Mar 14, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
the focus of the article
the focus of the article was more geared towards the future, not analyzing the past moves over the decade.
if i wanted to do that, it would have been pretty conclusive that both teams have made atrocious decisions with their first round draft picks since ’00.
however, both teams have gotten better and have emerged as teams with above average farm systems. furthermore, both teams have several big contracts and could potentially move away from that philosophy towards building from the ground up.
Well you can’t determine if a team is good at developing players or not if you don’t look at their successes or failures of the past decade. Whether or not the ‘06-’09 drafts were good or bad is yet to be determined which makes them pointless if you are in fact talking about which team develops players better as the title states.
the article doesn’t conclusively say that one is better than the other. i am merely pointing out the fact the the ny times article is saying that the poor drafting decisions by the cubs is something to note when in fact, most people in the organization are pleased with the current direction of the club.
it is impossible to predict the future, but there is no harm in laying some groundwork.
Geovany Soto….
-hit a HR every 64 at bats during the first 1600 at bats of his professional career.
-hit a HR every 17.9 at bats over the next 2 seasons.
-fails a drug test.
-hit a HR every 44 at bats during the second half of that season.
-Shows up to camp 40 pounds lighter.
hmmm. The Cubs did one heck of a job “developing” him.
So this determined what?
Geo tailed off last season. Just becuase someone doesnt perform at superstar level for their whole career doesnt mean they are horrible players.
So he smoked some pot and got busted… …so? I think you would be surprised how many players take a lot more and dont get caught.
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by Andiamo Cuccioli on Mar 15, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Cubs Suck
Why is patience a virtue and procrastination a sin...I mean whats wrong with patiently procrastionating?
The White Sox don't have a good farm system
Pretty much everyone agrees they’re in the bottom five. Hudson and Flowers have limited upside, Mitchell is like three years away, and there are a lot of questions surrounding Viciedo and Jordan Danks.
Trayce Thompson, Santos Rodriguez and Miguel Gonzalez have upside, but they’re raw and could be total busts.
The Cubs’ farm system destroys the Sox’s. Castro is the best shortstop in the minors, Vitters, Jackson and Lee are all top level position prospects, and Cashner and Jackson are both among the 100 best prospects in the game as well. Not to mention that they have crazy middle infield depth, with not only Castro and Lee. but also Logan Watkins, Ryan Flaherty, Darwin Barney, Junior Lake and Tony Thomas.
Right now, it seems abundantly clear that the Cubs are producing and developing more talent.
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by Satchel Price on Mar 16, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

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