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My Hall Of Fame Ballot In Less Than 600 Words

People only get their feathers ruffled when it comes to the Hall of Fame because it means something to them. I generally don't care about metal hunks inside old buildings in upstate New York, but I've been to Cooperstown, I've grown up loving baseball, and I've admittedly been suckered into really caring about this kind of stuff.

No, I won't devote my life to trying to make things closer to my vision. But I can spend an hour giving you guys 600 words on who I would vote for and why. In fact, that's probably way more time than many actual Hall of Fame voters actually spend on their ballots, so I'm pretty much qualified now. So, here it is, my 2012 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot:

Jeff Bagwell

We have no proof that Bagwell did steroids. We don't even know how much steroids can help a player. But we're going to knock this guy off the ballot because he maybe did something that might have helped him play better? Thanks, but no thanks. I see historically great offensive performance, regardless of era. He's in.

Barry Larkin

Got close last year, has loads of momentum going into this year's voting. Even while being somewhat injury-prone, Larkin had a long career as one of the best all-around shortstops in the game. Not a tough one here, he's in.

Tim Raines

If you need an explanation of Raines' greatness, you can read this not-that-old take from Keith Law. Basically, we're talking about a player who was uniquely great at getting on base, and then uniquely great at stealing bases after getting on. He's one of the best players of the 1980's, and he's definitely in.

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Alan Trammell

The numbers aren't shiny, but the all-around value that he actually brought to the table is nearly blinding. An exceptional defender at shortstop, he was also an above-average hitter with numerous MVP-quality seasons. He's in.

Edgar Martinez

In order to make the Hall as a DH, you need to have essentially been an elite hitter for your entire career. Enter Edgar Martinez. Ignore the lack of gaudy home run and RBI numbers, because this guy was scary-good as a hitter for a long time. Over a seven-year span from 1995 to 2001, Martinez's worst single-season line was .306/.423/.543. Yeah, he's in.

Mark McGwire

This isn't quite like Bagwell, because we know that McGwire actually used PED's. If I thought that McGwire was right on the fringe, I'd probably leave him off. But I don't think he is. Not with 583 home runs, 1467 walks and 71 WAR. McGwire only had a few skills, but they were historically strong, just like his peak. He's in.

Larry Walker

By raw numbers, you put Walker in. His .313/.400/.565 career line puts him among all-time greats, his WAR puts him in line with Raines/Trammell even while accounting for park and era. But does WAR really take in the effects of Coors in the late 90's? I don't know, but I do believe that players who played there were adversely affected while playing on the road. He's right on the fringe, but he's in for me.

THE REST

As I said before, guys on the fringe are the ones that will get particularly hurt by steroids. For all of Rafael Palmeiro's greatness, he feels too much like a compiler to really get in once you factor in the steroids. Only one season above 7 WAR, the lack of peak. It's important to emphasize here that I'm primarily leaving him off for performance, not PED's.

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My other appy-polly-loggies to:

Fred McGriff, Bernie Williams, Dale Murphy, Brad Radke, Don Mattingly, Juan Gonzalez, Lee Smith, Tim Salmon, Jack Morris, etc.

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by Satchel Price on Jan 9, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

mcgwire...

any ballot that has mcgwire on it automatically loses credibilitiy with me

by capz1990 on Jan 9, 2012 2:05 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

May I ask why?

Is it simply the PED’s thing? Because I’m simply not going to adhere to some rule that doesn’t allow PED users into the Hall. We’ve allowed spitballers, sign-stealers, amphetamine users, etc. I won’t be the one to decide which kinds of cheating are worse than others.

McGwire is clearly a HOF based on performance, few hitters have ever had the kind of power/patience combination that he had.

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by Satchel Price on Jan 9, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

who gets in next year?

I like what BPs John Perrotto said…..treat everyone in the steroid era the same. You cannot assume one used and another did not.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 9, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

Right, I'm just going in on performance.

You either let guys in, or you don’t. I let in McGwire, Bonds, etc. Guys like Palmeiro, though, are too close for me to call. I think Palmeiro’s on the fringe, and so I’ll leave him out on the basis of PED’s.

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by Satchel Price on Jan 9, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Palmeiro is on the fringe?

One of four guys with 500 HR and 3000 hits.

If PED era guys ever get in, he ought to. I don’t get your train of thought.

BTW – congrats. This is one of those rare MLBDD posts that yielded some comments.

Damn. I missed both Castro threads.

by Tat14 on Jan 9, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Those are just increasingly unimportant round numbers

I just don’t think Palmeiro was the kind of dominant hitter that McGwire or Bagwell was during their respective peaks. He’s very close, the first guy to miss for me. I just think he’s on the fringe, and so the PED test kind of works to push me in one direction.

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by Satchel Price on Jan 9, 2012 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh those are just numbers... says who?

Only three other players have done that!

Additionally, 4 ASG, 10 MVP nominations (granted he never won one), 3 GG, 2 SS. A career OBP of .371 and OPS of .885 over 19 seasons.

19 seasons! Many of those were played on a competitive BAL squad. Maybe the not so popular terms with CHC and TEX cloud people’s memories.

A lot of other stuff happened in the 90’s besides lock-outs and HR races.

Larry Walker? Dude, really?

Damn. I missed both Castro threads.

by Tat14 on Jan 9, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, Larry has a case... so skip that last line.

I’m just a little amazed that Palmeiro gets the ’dis. Most of it is steroid related, but I still think the 500/3000 club is special.

Damn. I missed both Castro threads.

by Tat14 on Jan 9, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't think Palmeiro is that special, and the PED's push him over the edge.

He has a good career OBP, but he never finished higher than ninth among OBP leaders in a single-season. Within a single season, his highest finishes among WAR leaders for position players were third, sixth and two ninth-place finishes. He was putting up gaudy offensive numbers, but he doesn’t derive any value from anywhere else, and he really only had a few spectacular seasons (1991, 1993, 1999) relative to the league.

Compare that to Larry Walker.

Walker has three batting titles, led the league in OBP twice and finished in the top-5 in the league in OBP six times, he led the league in slugging percentage twice, home runs once, and he was also a good base-runner and defender. I know that he benefitted from Coors, but even park- and era-adjusted numbers show his brilliance.

I just prefer a guy that puts up 67.3 WAR in 8030 PA to a guy that puts up 66 WAR in 12046 PA. And as I said, Palmeiro is really close, and I might feel different if he never tested positive for steroids. But when a guy is basically on the fringe for me and I’m gonna go with my gut, it’s easy for me to just defer to keeping him out. Absolutely no problem with people that vote for him, though, and maybe I’ll feel differently after thinking about it more.

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by Satchel Price on Jan 9, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Because I let in seven guys?

Based on the standards that have already been established about what a Hall of Famer is, all seven of the guys listed above qualify.

If you think I’m voting in too many guys now, you’ll hate next year’s ballot when guys like Bonds, Piazza, Clemens, etc. join this group.

If the Hall of Fame was supposed to be hyper-exclusive, then it hasn’t been that way for like 70 years: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/1/10/2695995/the-hall-of-fame-and-the-myth-of-exclusivity

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I'm one of those Twitter persons, too.

by Satchel Price on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  


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